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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptics are an episode

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number 125 for the 11th of March 2011

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Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia on this week's podcast

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we have that well to kick off let's kick

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off with the BBC a little report from

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the BBC as they interviewed Dave Hughes

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the president of the Hampshire skeptics

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society now Dave wrote to me saying that

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he'd been on the radio I had a little

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listen I thought I thought the skeptics

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own fans might want to hear this too

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very interesting it'll be coming up

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right at the top of the show after then

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we talked to jamie williams from the

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center for inquiry in canada about his

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efforts into stamping out standing on

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treading out destroying smashing the

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lunacy that is our and should not be ear

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candles then manor dr rachel i present

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part 2 about armageddon expo report and

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this week we chat to voice over artists

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miller lee and melody Spivak we also

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have a word to the Doctor Who Club of

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Australia and check out the stand of

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siren visual after that hold on your

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funny bones for Glenn wheelers generic

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from time to time to have a chat to

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Sydney does his own live psychic now

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that should be psycho readings very

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funny coming up soon and to round off

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the show dr. Reggie reports and this

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time I visit dr. H II where she works

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the heart research institute and

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the work that she carries out in solving

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medical problems that well could impact

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us all very interesting stuff thank you

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to all those people who wrote in saying

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how much they enjoyed the little video I

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put out last week of june wilshire

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introduction to last week's show that

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was enormous fun we should do it again

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sometime and thank you to those people

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who chip in and donate less than a

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dollar a week it really helps us produce

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the skeptic zone for more background

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newsletter at wwc a petting zoo TV no

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that's enough from me right now what

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will I drink this week mmm ginger tea

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are perfect I'm going to go downstairs

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make myself a ginger tea and let you

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if you don't believe in crop circles

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power bracelets and astrology you're not

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the only ones a local group called the

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Hampshire skeptics society meets once a

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month and as you can imagine by their

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name it's definitely not their sort of

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back their next meeting is tonight our

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have a pre-meeting chat with them to

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find out what makes a good skeptic if

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you come to the Roebuck in Winchester

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and the last Thursday of the month then

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you'd better come with an open mind

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because it's the meeting place at the

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Hampshire skeptics society it's

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president is Dave Hughes what are you

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skeptical about we are skeptical about

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claims that groups and individuals make

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people out there who think that crop

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circle circles are created by aliens

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they're made by well in the past two

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guys called Doug and Dave with some

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stakes in the ground a bit of rope and a

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plank and a highly creative artistic

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mind ultimately if you want to believe

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that crop circles were made by aliens

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where's the harm in that well

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example there is no real harm it's an

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amusing and diverting fantasy the

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explanations and accept things for which

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there really is no evidence you got to

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brace it on your hand there that doesn't

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look dissimilar to one of these copper

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power balance bracelet which are on sale

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make them better I'm actually going to

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run a demonstration as to what they do

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what the trick is and how they work I'd

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like you to stand with one foot on top

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of the other like this yeah keep your

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balance and put your arms out lady I

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know go on keep put your arms up nice

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and straight okay so I'm now standing in

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everybody's looking now what I'm going

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to do is I'm going to show you just how

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unbalanced you are at the moment I'm

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gonna push down on your arm and you're

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gonna resist me until you fall over and

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pushing down on your left arm now there

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we go and you've gone okay very cool no

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it didn't right now then what I'm gonna

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do is I'm going to hand you a magic p.m.

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at it will improve your balance it will

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improve your energy there you go there's

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your magic beer mat let's just assume

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that that's one of these power balance

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bracelets okay now assume the same

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posture please and I'm gonna do the same

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thing again and see how much you can

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resist this time Wow much easier it's

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much easier to resist it and I couldn't

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trick basically is when you have your

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so you are maximally disposed to fall

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over but when I give you the magic beer

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mat what i do is i push slightly inwards

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slightly inwards just that small change

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the movement so you don't fall over now

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secret Dave dare I ask whether you ever

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can give the same thing to to several

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you're a Virgo and other days you more

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their chance I'm a Scorpio the Hampshire

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Roebuck in in Winchester tonight don't

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shirley from Bauman and now a message

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from the inside of Richard Saunders

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walk-in refrigerator jamie williams from

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based in Vancouver recently Jamie took

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strong action against the lunacy of ear

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candles and set up his own website ear

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candles are illegal I contacted Jamie

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wonderful beautiful Vancouver British

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hi Jamie I wretched really nice that you

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could spare some time to have a chat

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with us here on the skeptic zone how

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could you fill our listeners in a little

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bit about what you are doing up there

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and your official capacity well I'm a

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vancouver branch and what does that

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branch we put on monthly lectures we

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club we do some skeptical activism we're

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a voice in the media across canada for

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view we support a local skeptic

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non-believer community and represent

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their values now the cute listener might

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might might gather might glean that your

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voice does not exactly sound like the

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classic Canadian accent what's your

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story Jamie well I am actually

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Canada for the last three and a bit

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years yeah so I don't sound like most of

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who may not know the see if I Center for

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inquiry has been it's sort of a an

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offshoot should we save the old sigh cop

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SCI cop the committee force the

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humanism what a mouthful all those

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initials I tell you what but it's better

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just to call it does no center for

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inquiry I think that just sounds lovely

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much easier way to to refer to it now I

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the local media on television as part of

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taking part in the 1023 campaign yes

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year well them before Tam that we

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overdose for for the camera and the

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episode that that was in which was very

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skeptical and rightly called out

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homeopathy on it's ludicrous suppose

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preparation etc that episode actually

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in seven years i believe so it was a big

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achievement for for local skeptics to

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get their message out like that that's

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an interesting you should say that

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broadcaster called catalyst which our

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story and that was one of the highest

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rating and talked about programs for for

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that particular show so the wonder why

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programs don't do more expose days of

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extreme claims of homeopathy being able

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to treat cancers and there was a fairly

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large backlash or a response to the

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skeptical angle of the show so a lot of

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lot of home you perhaps crying foul

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wringing their hands saying how dare you

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and this saved my dog's life and all

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this sort of stuff oh yeah and it

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actually even started before the show

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had aired real just from a tete like the

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15 second trailer that was on the

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website now and before it had even shown

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there was a press release put out by a

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one group of homeopaths decrying the

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bias in the in the show etc that that's

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fascinating I tell you what I'm going to

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do for our listeners on the website and

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in the newsletter in the weekly skeptics

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own newsletter i'll put a link not only

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to to your CF I of course but also i'll

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certainly put a link to the marketplace

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videos which I happen to know are on

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YouTube and they make for fascinating

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viewing now it's interesting that you

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should be sort of taking action like we

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all are against this sort of crazy

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so-called medical medicine of homeopathy

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your you are and this has really caught

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my attention you are also taking action

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against another crazy form of so-called

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medication and that being ear candles

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yes I recently became acquainted with

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ear candles I knew the very basics of

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the idea but when I saw them for sale at

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a local organic market which I found

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myself in which is actually a chain or

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throughout the province of British

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Columbia I was a bit suspicious so I

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knew that that they were illegal or or

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the need to have a license or at the

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very least I knew that they were

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dangerous so I decided to

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to check into their status in Canada I

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found out that they are actually

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effectively illegal you need adolescence

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to sell them because they're classified

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as a medical device and without a

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license des a less illegal so Health

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Canada refuses to issued licenses

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because they're dangerous and they're

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completely ineffective I started the

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process of reporting this this grocery

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chain called the choices markets to

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health canada and currently they're no

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longer being salt that you can also no

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longer being sold in the stores and the

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manufacturer who i managed to track down

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and actually talk to as being his the

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company is being investigated by the

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alberton health canada authorities no

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that's that's great to hear that you're

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taking such strong action and of course

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you're taking a more action in the form

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of a website that was only recently

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launched that's right have a new website

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ear candles are illegal dotnet at all

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yeah it is aimed towards Canadian

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skeptics mostly because it deals with

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the status of ear candles in Canada

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unfortunately I don't think they're

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illegal anywhere else well it's

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certainly not illegal in Australia you

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know to just about any pharmacy and buy

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the damn things yeah I know you and I um

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took a walk through Sydney and saw them

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for sale in a few places we did we did

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that was when you were out here visiting

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us for the amazing meeting of course yep

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and Fred joined us and yeah yeah that

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was quite something we had some

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interesting looks in the pharmacies we

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went to because they're not used to

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people coming in and saying by the way

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what you're selling is not only

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ineffective it's also dangerous yes yeah

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I don't think they're and I think the

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people even take much time to understand

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what is there selling and that's

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most of the problem in the case of well

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I guess the situation in Australia where

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they're selling them in pharmacies and

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by making the website i hope to give

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skeptics in canada all of the details

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they need to report a legal sale and

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manufacturer of ear candles wherever

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they are in canada because the

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importation of candles is illegal also

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so my site has a step-by-step guide for

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what you need to do to investigate the

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sale what details you need to mark down

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who you need to contact and how to

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follow up on the investigation it also

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contains a lot of background information

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on ear candles references to all of the

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what little published scientific

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research it there is some newspaper

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articles referring to damage which has

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been done by ear candles such as the

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unfortunate death of one woman who set

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her house alight and died from smoke

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inhalation and a full explanation of the

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laws that actually make them illegal in

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Canada I've also got a full the full

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story of how I spotted the candles that

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I complained about how I made my

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complaint my discussion with the

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manufacturer over the phone and my

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dealings with Health Canada so that

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that's an interesting story I think to

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anyone who would be who's interested in

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making their own complaint it's quite

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it's quite staggering to me that there

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should be a mythology at their

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government a government authority i

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might say that actually took the step of

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saying no this is rubbish and we're

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going to protect our citizens from it I

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certainly wish that that's sort of clear

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thinking on these issues could spread

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around the world and maybe a website is

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a good way to get people motivated into

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doing this

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locally yeah I think more more of these

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niche sites are needed to tackle

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specific pseudo-sciences or or dangerous

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treatments there are a lot of really

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good sites that handle general claims or

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do a little of everything other sites

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like crack watch so in depth that the

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average person couldn't possibly hope to

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keep something of that caliber going for

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you know over a decade like dr. Steven

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Barrett has yeah it's quack watch calm

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well great i don't but my little site

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which didn't take too much time to put

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together is something that many people

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can do and with fairly little effort so

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if we have more of these niche sites

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providing specific information about

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particular treatments or products it

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makes the information a lot easier to

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find for people who are interested in

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that particular subject now ear candles

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never cease to amaze me and I remember

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the first time I ever saw them was about

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all about eight years ago I went to the

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mind-body wallet festival here in Sydney

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as I do every six months and I'm walking

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around and I see these people lying on

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their sides with candles lit candle

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sticking out of their ear and the I have

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to admit my first thought was what is

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this gag what is this joke is this is

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there a camera what it couldn't I

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couldn't reconcile the fact that no

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these people are seriously sticking

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burning bits of wax candle choose in

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their ears and still amazed the sort of

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it sounds like the sort of thing that a

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skeptic would make up as an example of

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the ridiculous things that yes people do

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yes yes and then a word got out and that

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these people said i will try it anyway

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and next thing you know people are

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making quite a comfortable living out of

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tricking people into putting burning

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bits of wax in area

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the the prices that people charge for

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sticking a couple of dollars worth of

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wax and cloth in your ear and and

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setting it alight or outrageous oh it's

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like a homeopathy isn't it yeah anything

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from I've seen them from anywhere from

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25 to 70 dollars Wow on the candles yet

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for for like half an hour or an hour or

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something and the candles themselves are

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pretty expensive they can cost you know

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i think i paid nine dollars for two

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candles these drives a little bits of

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cloth soaked in in wax right i think

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there's something like $13 here in the

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pharmacies in australia something like

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that and this manufacturer that i spoke

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to who was making the candles that i

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complained about the sale of told me

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that he was shipping tens of thousands

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all over the world every year and I

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don't know whether he was just talking

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up his company or not but ok because I'm

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afraid he wasn't talking out of his ear

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candle the judging by the number of

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pharmacies just in my city of sydney

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alone that carried them and I've had an

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interesting time when I've expressed my

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concern to a particular pharmacist and

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they say well you know as soon as the

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box is empty on the Shelf they put out

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another box and they just keep selling

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and it comes back to the old and

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completely ridiculous justification why

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do you sell these products oh well we

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sell them because people want to buy

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them yeah that was basically the answer

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i got when i called the head office of

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choices markets they initially claimed

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that they were selling them legally that

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their manufacturer did have a license

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which i found there wasn't true i said

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well okay even if you do have a license

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I'd like to make a complaint because

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you're selling something the Health

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Canada has called dangerous and

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ineffective and they said that will

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we're just going to sell what our

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customers want to buy yep yep

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unbelievable unbelievable look Jamie all

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power to you keep that

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light burning but don't use an ear

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candle to keep that light burning please

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and just just to go over those websites

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again for our listeners of course your

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your main website is the CFL I website

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and where is that located okay the

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Canadian one is cfi canada CA and the

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transnational one is Center for inquiry

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dotnet that's spelt the American Way and

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of course the ear candle site is ear

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candles are illegal dotnet I really

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appreciate any visits like I can get

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sharing it on Facebook linking to it if

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you've got a relevant site and any

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questions anyone wants to ask me about

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the ear candles send it through the

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contact form on the website well thank

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you jamie very much for sharing some

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time with us here on the skeptic zone

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and i hope all our listeners and in fact

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I encourage all our listeners to have a

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look have a look at that website and see

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what skeptical activism can do thank you

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either everybody my name is chris brown

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you see I've got a problem I'll get this

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00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:40,110
really cool podcast called meet the

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00:24:44,539 --> 00:24:42,750
skeptics where I basically call up all

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those great critical thinkers and

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skeptics and people like James Randi

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George Crom J novella Brian Dunning both

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Derek and swoopy Eugenie Scott Richard

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Saunders and so many more the enemies

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are even a perfect length an average

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between 30 and 45 minutes just right for

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an average commute to work but I just

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don't know how to get the word out so do

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me a favor everybody go to iTunes listen

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00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,220
to meet the skeptics you'll find some

537
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,960
great interviews on there learn some

538
00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:11,520
things you probably never knew about and

539
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if you have any ideas for how i can get

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the word out and advertise the podcast

541
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:18,510
just let me know you can write me at

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00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:21,539
meet the skeptics @ aol.com or follow me

543
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,059
on twitter at meet the skeptics thanks

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00:25:37,149 --> 00:25:25,440
for listening I hope to hear from you

545
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:39,320
wonders will never cease ladies and

546
00:25:44,389 --> 00:25:42,360
gentlemen 15 years ago 15 years ago I

547
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,399
worked at a place called intensity I've

548
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,559
happened long here to the doctor who

549
00:25:51,379 --> 00:25:49,500
stand here at Armageddon and I bump into

550
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,389
an old colleague of mine who winked

551
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:55,080
under the name of Avon Avon is great to

552
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,000
see you good to see you too babe that's

553
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:58,799
a fleet alongside it has been a long

554
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:00,779
time now you're here of course to

555
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:03,210
promote Doctor Who well I'm president of

556
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,740
doctor who clubbed with australia where

557
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:06,779
well we're here to will promote the

558
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,279
father as well as we've got our own

559
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:10,799
convention on next weekend at the

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,289
novotel just over the way here and don't

561
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,690
the Olympic Park novotel right and we've

562
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:17,940
got to get into low from the classic

563
00:26:22,399 --> 00:26:20,070
series on the wall behind me I see their

564
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,409
photographs here yes indeed yeah so I'm

565
00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:25,500
so we're here to do our usual stuff but

566
00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:27,029
also to promote that and hopefully I get

567
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,190
people long to that and we're actually

568
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,200
it's 21 years since we've had the first

569
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:33,299
overseas gift right over which is a

570
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,710
little sad actually because it was

571
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,539
Nicholas Courtney who just died only a

572
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,580
couple of days ago so I did not know

573
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:40,500
that yeah he's a bit sad yeah but I do

574
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,419
know that so it'll be a bit of a reading

575
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:44,159
for him to Brigadier that's right so

576
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,809
it'll be a bit of a tribute to him as

577
00:26:50,389 --> 00:26:48,720
well now now you know why unfortunately

578
00:26:52,129 --> 00:26:50,399
but yeah he was our very first guest 21

579
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:52,139
years ago but we're also raising money

580
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,570
for the coins a flood relief fund Janet

581
00:26:59,389 --> 00:26:57,120
Janet feeling tegan he's from Brisbane

582
00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:59,399
right is mr. Brisbane girl and an actual

583
00:27:02,629 --> 00:27:00,990
mark was either naturalized Australian

584
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:02,639
to he is English but he's a naturalized

585
00:27:05,779 --> 00:27:04,049
Australian year so we've actually got a

586
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:05,789
good Australian flavor to this one oh

587
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:08,070
that's fantastic i'm pleased to see it

588
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,450
now let's have a little squeeze at the

589
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:13,200
website folks in australia visit dr. who

590
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,809
australia old w WQ v australia org looks

591
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,460
like they're doing a fantastic job here

592
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:22,860
especially with the your efforts to help

593
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:24,570
the community of course but to raise

594
00:27:28,369 --> 00:27:26,850
interest for Doctor Who fans yeah

595
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:28,379
absolutely look there's so many out

596
00:27:32,869 --> 00:27:29,940
there I mean love David so he's getting

597
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:32,879
like huge ratings through the series at

598
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:34,060
the moment yeah

599
00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:35,230
I say that I mean people are out there

600
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:36,340
are a lot of people are watching it

601
00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:38,260
particularly now it's I'm not sure about

602
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:39,700
Britain but certainly here it's more

603
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:41,350
popular than said Athene I'm sure the

604
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:42,790
same case is in Britain and i can't wait

605
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:46,180
for you seriously that crashing you here

606
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:48,100
folks is actually this wrestling going

607
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:49,870
on on the other side of the room if it's

608
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:51,910
not better we're a long way away for two

609
00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:54,430
out it's tough anyway no I'm looking for

610
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:56,440
I can't wait for the new shift well Avon

611
00:28:02,670 --> 00:27:58,330
great to see you again great to see you

612
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:02,680
do right ok been a wonderful time here

613
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:05,740
so far at Armageddon and here in Sydney

614
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:08,530
and I'm lucky enough to grab some time

615
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:10,660
here with Miller Lee lovely to meet you

616
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,460
another lovely to me in as well Richard

617
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,830
now can you tell our listeners a little

618
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:16,960
bit about what you've done um well most

619
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:19,560
recently am Yuki cross in vampire knight

620
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:22,690
written in blade of the immortal I do

621
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:24,220
have an upcoming role in taraba rise

622
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,100
Erica but rachel alucard in blazblue

623
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:32,320
cinque in rozen maiden and rin in fate

624
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:36,370
stay night from a game standpoint i just

625
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:37,930
finished fallout vegas and i'll be in

626
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:40,930
the new saints row that's stunning how

627
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:42,790
do you keep all these in your head all

628
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:45,100
these different roles oh we did in one

629
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:48,820
at a time and just now i think when i

630
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:50,500
first started i felt so lucky to have

631
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:53,320
one or two jobs and then now i make a

632
00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:55,060
living as a voice-over artist so

633
00:28:58,530 --> 00:28:57,100
sometimes we do actually forget what

634
00:29:00,570 --> 00:28:58,540
we've done and the fans will bring

635
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:00,580
something and ask us to autograph it and

636
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:03,340
I go I love Marvel x-men that's great

637
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:05,620
and they said yes you did the voice for

638
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:10,480
the games and I oh oh I did really now I

639
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:13,830
must come clean with little personal

640
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:18,400
dream of mine you know I love the fact

641
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:20,890
that you can use your voice to do the

642
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:23,560
work and it must be so such an exciting

643
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:26,460
and interesting line of work to deliver

644
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:29,050
these lines and do the scripts and also

645
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:31,540
also must be a lot of fun i imagine it

646
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:33,430
really is people ask me when it's

647
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:34,810
I can it's kind of like winning the

648
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,960
lottery and you do you have to pinch

649
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:40,000
yourself because as a child you don't

650
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:41,650
dream of becoming a voice-over artist

651
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:45,550
should even know it exists who knew how

652
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:47,830
exciting is that now do you have an idea

653
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:49,540
of the sort of people who like to listen

654
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:52,420
to your voice I guess I didn't I mean

655
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,330
the fans go from gorgeous lovely four

656
00:30:00,390 --> 00:29:57,480
year olds to ninety four year olds and

657
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,400
funny story i was actually set up on a

658
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:02,080
blind date with someone i became very

659
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:04,180
good friends with he's an aerospace

660
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:05,710
engineer and worked on the Joint Strike

661
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,650
Fighter for Northrop Grumman and Italy

662
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:11,440
and really brilliant but as we were

663
00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:13,390
having dinner and he asked me some of

664
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,580
the shows i might do and and i remember

665
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:17,440
saying homes probably nothing you've

666
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:19,690
heard of excited could reload and and

667
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:23,350
was naming off some shows he said really

668
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:25,000
and he clicked on this video on demand

669
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:27,100
on the television and there were most of

670
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:29,770
my series so here always understanding

671
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,240
that quite a lot of the people that

672
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:34,480
listen to my shows or play the game to

673
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:37,030
the anime our aerospace engineers and

674
00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:38,860
scientists and i think it's because we

675
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:41,680
used to have either radio shows where

676
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:43,510
you were read stories and in the mind

677
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:45,910
you filled in all the illustrations and

678
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:48,520
the world was so beautiful forget cgi

679
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:49,930
what's in the human mind is

680
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:53,080
extraordinary and i believe that they're

681
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,810
connecting with anime and and what some

682
00:30:59,730 --> 00:30:57,760
people think is a more stilted art form

683
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:59,740
because their brains as they're watching

684
00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:01,450
and listening it's as if they're

685
00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:03,340
listening or reading to reading a book

686
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:07,060
and filling in this world in between

687
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:09,910
some frames with their beautiful mind is

688
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:11,590
that lovely expression theater of the

689
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:15,280
mind mm-hmm it is everyone has a first

690
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:17,530
front-row seats don't know if they're

691
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:20,190
willing to use the tickets now do you

692
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:24,220
normally use your regular speaking voice

693
00:31:30,879 --> 00:31:28,320
are or are you called upon to

694
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:30,889
inventions new ways to use your voice

695
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:33,330
well I think in the beginning when I did

696
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:35,610
audiobook I have much more of

697
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:38,279
continental style of speaking so I would

698
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,830
do classics the scarlet letter and it

699
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:43,440
was much more the low voice and she knew

700
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:47,880
very very theatrical and a couple of

701
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:50,730
years into my career I was doing some

702
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:53,940
recording next to a producer who liked

703
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,000
he said could you do more of an american

704
00:32:01,159 --> 00:31:59,340
teenager and and I thought I'd give it a

705
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:01,169
try and the next thing I knew I was

706
00:32:05,779 --> 00:32:03,450
doing more of this kind of voice for a

707
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:05,789
girl that just wanted to see dad really

708
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:09,419
really and started playing american

709
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:14,450
teenagers pretty pretty regularly is it

710
00:32:19,399 --> 00:32:16,710
is quite a standing to see you do that

711
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,409
suddenly transform into an american

712
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:22,559
teenager that's quite something and it

713
00:32:27,019 --> 00:32:24,570
you called upon more and more to do that

714
00:32:30,139 --> 00:32:27,029
sort of yes well mellow what a what a

715
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:30,149
wonderful opportunity has been to have a

716
00:32:34,009 --> 00:32:31,860
little chat with you thank you for

717
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:34,019
sparing some time for the podcast and i

718
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:36,090
look forward to your next great role oh

719
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:37,860
you're so very welcome thank you for

720
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:39,750
having me and i look forward to my next

721
00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:46,230
great role too now I'm a little

722
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:47,909
surprised to come across a stand here

723
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,230
dr. a she's selling all sorts of

724
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,360
interesting DVDs including Richard

725
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:53,220
Dawkins growing up in the universe the

726
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:56,820
enemies of reason and Helena and I think

727
00:33:01,159 --> 00:32:59,250
they've got everything from here who am

728
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:01,169
I talking to you now my name's Leon Leon

729
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,450
what is this all about asaram visuals of

730
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,100
film Watson company based in Melbourne

731
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:07,080
it's been going for about 23 years and

732
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:09,000
we lost this all kinds of things with a

733
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,470
main focus on anime at the moment

734
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:12,779
although I the things of course it's

735
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:14,850
just caught our eye are the there I say

736
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:17,190
the skeptical or the rational the

737
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:19,019
scientific collection you have here

738
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,610
that's a very interesting line to carry

739
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:22,620
they do really well for us here at the

740
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:25,049
festival surprisingly they do been doing

741
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:26,399
really well since Richard Dawkins came

742
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,899
out as well as better be upsetting sales

743
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:30,360
I'm sure there has this is a variation

744
00:33:34,499 --> 00:33:32,070
interesting collection here we've got

745
00:33:36,209 --> 00:33:34,509
the secret history of 90

746
00:33:38,459 --> 00:33:36,219
now I haven't seen that one yet and

747
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:38,469
that's on the same step same little

748
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,629
platform here is Charles Darwin what

749
00:33:44,879 --> 00:33:42,159
else do we have here another Charles

750
00:33:46,589 --> 00:33:44,889
Darwin with Richard Dawkins so I'm

751
00:33:48,539 --> 00:33:46,599
pleased that you're here and I'm pleased

752
00:33:50,699 --> 00:33:48,549
that these things are getting you some

753
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:50,709
interest thank you and where can people

754
00:33:56,609 --> 00:33:52,809
go to find out more oh here's the

755
00:34:01,799 --> 00:33:56,619
website ww-why are in visual Khambatta

756
00:34:03,659 --> 00:34:01,809
you thank you very much thank you we're

757
00:34:05,819 --> 00:34:03,669
currently holding a melody Steve actor

758
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:05,829
hostage in a room here in homebush and

759
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,440
welcome to Armageddon not not you know

760
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:10,480
the biblical concept but the convention

761
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:14,980
let me go give tweak to the fact that

762
00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:16,179
I've only had time to read your bio

763
00:34:20,249 --> 00:34:18,220
between the car park in here but I'm

764
00:34:22,349 --> 00:34:20,259
intensely interested in how someone like

765
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:22,359
yourself builds a career around doing

766
00:34:26,249 --> 00:34:24,490
the anime and the voice-over work please

767
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,259
tell us about that we literally build it

768
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:28,210
around that we always say whenever we do

769
00:34:32,129 --> 00:34:30,609
our work or any of our concepts or any

770
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:32,139
other panels that if you want to be a

771
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:35,409
voice actor first be an actor and I

772
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:37,419
would say starting in stage work is as

773
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:38,919
good as you can get you can start with

774
00:34:43,529 --> 00:34:42,220
stage if you study improv anything like

775
00:34:45,269 --> 00:34:43,539
that that helps you interact with an

776
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:45,279
audience and think on your feet this

777
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:46,929
will help and that's where I started i

778
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:48,609
started in classical theatre what's your

779
00:34:52,109 --> 00:34:50,169
favorite branch of science I mean you

780
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:52,119
worked in sci-fi a fair bit there is

781
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,529
anything really tweaked your interest oh

782
00:34:58,259 --> 00:34:55,839
it would have to be exobiology wouldn't

783
00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:58,269
it yes I mean I want to know about the

784
00:35:03,299 --> 00:35:00,220
little green men but i also love geology

785
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,309
i'm fascinated with volcanoes and never

786
00:35:08,279 --> 00:35:05,200
been near any good ones lately yes

787
00:35:10,259 --> 00:35:08,289
indeed I have I walked on Kilauea and we

788
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:10,269
were walking over a lava field that was

789
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:12,190
so new that the lava tubes are running

790
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:13,690
under our feet and the bottoms of our

791
00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:16,420
sneakers were melting Wow but we did

792
00:35:19,859 --> 00:35:17,859
that to get out to the ocean where the

793
00:35:22,289 --> 00:35:19,869
lava was pouring out and into the water

794
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,299
at night and exploding when it hit the

795
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:24,400
seawater you how much cooler can it get

796
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:25,960
them that it's not like that the

797
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:28,390
geologists I can do what astronomers can

798
00:35:31,499 --> 00:35:30,250
astronomers can't easily get up there to

799
00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:31,509
touch the stuff they're looking at but

800
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:32,980
geologists will often risk their life

801
00:35:36,809 --> 00:35:34,930
stupidly for pretty smart people to get

802
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:36,819
close to active volcanoes astronomy is

803
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:38,349
not what you know as a tactile

804
00:35:42,089 --> 00:35:40,210
is particularly but if you're also if

805
00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:42,099
you're a mystic and you go to Hawaii and

806
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:43,869
you're walking on Kilauea do you know

807
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:45,190
that you have to take a little bottle of

808
00:35:48,779 --> 00:35:47,470
booze anything will do gin rum whatever

809
00:35:50,999 --> 00:35:48,789
you've gotten off the airlines whatever

810
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:51,009
and some flowers and lace and flowers

811
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:52,930
down at a steam vent and pour the booze

812
00:35:59,370 --> 00:35:56,920
into the steam vent as a way of showing

813
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,380
respect to Madame Pele the goddess of

814
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:01,359
the volcano if you don't do that I'm not

815
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,609
sure you're coming home wow that's some

816
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:05,200
pretty strong galue there I mean has

817
00:36:08,999 --> 00:36:07,900
anyone and so it can be any alcohol

818
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,009
beverage it can be like you know

819
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:12,359
Bailey's hey she's my kind of girl I

820
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:15,609
look before they burst in with the

821
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:17,170
plasma based weapons to show us out of

822
00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:19,210
here and I'm sorry we are pushed for

823
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:20,920
time even though it is such a palatial

824
00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:23,470
and majestic room we are in here yeah

825
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:24,819
but we would like to know some of the

826
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:26,170
great voices and sounds we may have

827
00:36:29,249 --> 00:36:27,970
heard you do throughout your career I

828
00:36:32,009 --> 00:36:29,259
mean let's say think of it as a

829
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:32,019
30-second cv of an audio version we're

830
00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:34,089
looking at here any second cv well

831
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:36,430
you've heard me on enterprise Star Trek

832
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:37,900
Enterprise in the episode called

833
00:36:41,999 --> 00:36:40,900
kir'shara as an Andorian lieutenant are

834
00:36:43,799 --> 00:36:42,009
you sure you don't know that the earth

835
00:36:45,569 --> 00:36:43,809
men were here with the Klingons or

836
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:45,579
whatever it was I was a very very very

837
00:36:55,469 --> 00:36:49,440
intense and Orion and in bertram on in

838
00:36:57,930 --> 00:36:55,479
Digimon and Garuda man was a very deep

839
00:36:59,579 --> 00:36:57,940
american indian sort of fellow and i

840
00:37:02,479 --> 00:36:59,589
just did in the right the unworthy

841
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:02,489
Hopkins Exorcist film I'm one of the

842
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:06,430
evil possessed Italian women in base

843
00:37:14,729 --> 00:37:10,630
today a magic that sort of thing oh you

844
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:14,739
evil place so yes I can do a few voices

845
00:37:18,989 --> 00:37:16,690
now when you're doing that kind of arch

846
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:18,999
over the top voiceover um how does a

847
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:20,380
director go because there's so many ways

848
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:21,609
you could go with that I mean how many

849
00:37:24,569 --> 00:37:22,930
versions of that would you've had to do

850
00:37:25,979 --> 00:37:24,579
before they went are you we got it well

851
00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:25,989
actually I think the director got

852
00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:27,339
frightened but left the room on that one

853
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:28,820
that's what you want

854
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:31,460
the record is pooping his pants you've

855
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:33,590
done your job actually the best the best

856
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:36,170
applause that I could get was when I was

857
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:37,910
doing that particular session and I did

858
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:41,810
an intense event with the demon there

859
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:44,120
was dead silence for about three beats

860
00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:46,600
after I finished and then I just heard

861
00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:50,900
Wow doesn't get any better than that and

862
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:53,900
there was one one moment in my history

863
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:56,450
during voiceover that I loved probably

864
00:38:00,100 --> 00:37:57,890
more than any other I was working on

865
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:00,110
alien resurrection and I was voiced

866
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:02,390
uplink Sigourney Weaver and i'm a fan

867
00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:04,040
too we all are we grew up with this

868
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:06,350
stuff and as they picked me and I'm

869
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:08,030
doing the scene or I'm about to do the

870
00:38:11,830 --> 00:38:09,740
scene they said okay in the next scene

871
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,840
we're going to need you you you they

872
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,000
pointed at me and they said and Ripley

873
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:16,400
you're on deck and being a stone-cold

874
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:19,610
pro I said fine and I did my job and

875
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:21,290
then I went out of the room and fainted

876
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:24,830
dead away they called me rick lee is

877
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:28,010
that exciting we love this stuff too we

878
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:30,290
grew up with it we adore it we love the

879
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:32,510
fans because we were fans to begin with

880
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:35,450
we're part of a large worldwide family

881
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:37,670
and we very much feel that the

882
00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:39,500
Australian people have welcomed us and

883
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:41,840
they're now part of our family too we

884
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:43,310
love you guys thanks for having us here

885
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:45,050
and there is really nothing better than

886
00:39:02,040 --> 00:38:47,260
being paid to do what you love is there

887
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:04,900
hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

888
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:06,710
guide to the universe whoa whoa hold on

889
00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:09,500
whoa everybody knows I'm the only reason

890
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:11,300
to listen to the Freak Show right I mean

891
00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:12,470
it was up to me the show would start

892
00:39:21,099 --> 00:39:19,220
with this yeah boy well Rebecca would

893
00:39:22,809 --> 00:39:21,109
hate that probably but I mean I'd rock

894
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,819
that listen to our show and you can

895
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:23,839
learn about cool stuff like a

896
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:25,550
technological singularity which is

897
00:39:28,809 --> 00:39:27,290
someday when technology progresses so

898
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:28,819
fast that it would make the Industrial

899
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:30,170
Revolution look like a kid science

900
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:33,230
project anyway come check us out at WWDC

901
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:49,460
epic score get your son on a recent

902
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:52,670
visit to the studios of radio 2 GB here

903
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:55,640
in Sydney dr. H and I were surprised

904
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,180
when Glenn wheeler our host told us he

905
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:02,480
does his own psychic readings well not

906
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:05,540
really then wheelers psycho predictions

907
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:07,609
and generic readings are a huge hit on

908
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:10,130
the radio station and you can listen in

909
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:13,849
live every week on Saturday at 11pm in

910
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:17,390
Sydney or 12 noon greenwich mean time

911
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:22,480
for am in Los Angeles 7am in New York at

912
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:30,710
ww two gb com I will hang on hang on can

913
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:32,930
I just jump over Tommy they can ring

914
00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:34,130
Millie after eleven o'clock tonight

915
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:36,830
because I eleven o'clock tonight richer

916
00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:38,030
than Roger you'll be pleased to know

917
00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:39,700
this is what happens on the program

918
00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:43,880
blank sand through the hourglass slug

919
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:46,070
wheeler psycho prediction it's painted

920
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:49,220
in our greetings find out what's doing

921
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:54,220
in your life calm down on 13 1873

922
00:41:00,220 --> 00:40:57,230
learned you're very good at this claim

923
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,230
their evil are carried on I'm very very

924
00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:02,800
good at a very very good at it because

925
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:06,440
in fact well I can tell you that we've

926
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:15,910
notice last week last week's program

927
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:19,130
where I actually you know what that

928
00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:21,140
means is that you're you're a bit better

929
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,820
than a number five like you're you're

930
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:25,040
about to better than a number five but

931
00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:26,480
you're not quite a 10 if you know what I

932
00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:29,000
mean yes I understand yeah bo Derek was

933
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:31,550
a 10 yeah you're not like a now can

934
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:33,500
attest for that yeah I'm not saying

935
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:35,570
you're not attractive and I'm not saying

936
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:37,580
this is a any indictment whatsoever on

937
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:39,170
you know the way you look or the way

938
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:40,370
people perceive you because you've

939
00:41:44,590 --> 00:41:42,050
actually got a lot of friends oh yeah

940
00:41:46,450 --> 00:41:44,600
okay you've got a lot of male and female

941
00:41:48,310 --> 00:41:46,460
friends a matter of fact probably more

942
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,320
female friends in my own I going Richard

943
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:50,390
it brilliant and some of your closest

944
00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:52,310
friends a women aren't they I'm changing

945
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:53,900
my mind right when you get together you

946
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,640
like to talk don't you a generic gladly

947
00:41:59,740 --> 00:41:57,440
yeah I think it's usually now to talk a

948
00:42:01,300 --> 00:41:59,750
lot you um I'm actually feeling saw jaws

949
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:01,310
do you do you actually talked quite a

950
00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:05,150
bit no I wouldn't close oh no no not

951
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:08,830
really have you ever had a tooth out I

952
00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:10,790
think that's why I'm getting the pine in

953
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:12,860
my methods it's nothing to do with your

954
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:15,020
talking a lot actually it's scary time

955
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:16,790
we went to identity Diana you had a

956
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:18,630
couple of fillings as well I think if

957
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:20,609
yeah that's right is there a crayon

958
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,369
there can i see a crown no no crown I

959
00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:25,079
think the crown that I'm seeing is a

960
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:27,750
crown of thorns starfish have you ever

961
00:42:33,799 --> 00:42:31,170
been in a situation are you do you live

962
00:42:36,259 --> 00:42:33,809
near the coast now have you ever been to

963
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:36,269
a beachside resort for a holiday yes I

964
00:42:40,549 --> 00:42:37,859
have okay i'm seeing a crown of thorns

965
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:40,559
starfish and they are very very

966
00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:43,410
dangerous and i'm i'm glad i can tell

967
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:44,789
you this now but you came very very

968
00:42:47,539 --> 00:42:45,990
close to stepping on the crown-of-thorns

969
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:47,549
starfish which is why i'm seeing the

970
00:43:03,089 --> 00:43:01,230
then this it's wonderful that you use

971
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:03,099
that you're doing this but you do

972
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:06,190
realize this is almost identical to what

973
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,230
those out there who call themselves real

974
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:10,480
psychics doin on call back and stuff

975
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:12,700
like that so it's the same routine

976
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:15,130
you're doing tongue-in-cheek they do it

977
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:17,230
and make lots more money than I did what

978
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:19,720
ality for those 10 minutes calls I

979
00:43:29,069 --> 00:43:21,220
should be charging what is it free like

980
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:29,079
395 a minute with their credit card hi

981
00:43:33,809 --> 00:43:31,660
this is brian dunning from sceptile calm

982
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,819
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983
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,680
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984
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:37,359
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985
00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:40,329
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986
00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:42,339
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987
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988
00:43:51,569 --> 00:43:48,069
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989
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:51,579
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990
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,890
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991
00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:56,319
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992
00:44:02,160 --> 00:43:59,500
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993
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,170
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994
00:44:06,749 --> 00:44:04,480
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995
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996
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997
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998
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999
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:25,700
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1000
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:31,859
with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello everybody

1001
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,530
and welcome to dr. Rachel reports now

1002
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:36,180
the astute listener will detect that I

1003
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,720
am NOT dr. HD i am with dr. AG and today

1004
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:42,720
we're going to be having a look at where

1005
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,150
dr. rachy does her wonderful scientific

1006
00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:48,240
research hi dr. AG hi Richard welcome to

1007
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,950
the heart research institute and this

1008
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:51,599
used to be an old telephone exchange

1009
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:52,890
building i was just looking up in the

1010
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:55,410
book yes it was a telephone exchange

1011
00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:57,060
building and we've been here for just

1012
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,089
over a year now but it's a National

1013
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:02,400
Trust listed building which means that

1014
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:04,859
we had to keep all of the facade and a

1015
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:07,980
lot of the sort of fittings and we could

1016
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:10,770
just do up the inside so yeah it's

1017
00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:13,130
actually a really beautiful old facility

1018
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:16,080
yeah it certainly as it looks great well

1019
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:17,930
let's have a little look around and

1020
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:20,970
discover exactly what you do here at the

1021
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:25,320
Institute now we're entering us from a

1022
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:28,619
quarantined area here this smell other

1023
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:31,450
scientists working away in this room

1024
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,790
lots of equipment around just following

1025
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:35,440
dr. Ricci around the corner here where

1026
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:37,390
are we now dr. AG will come into our

1027
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:40,090
tissue culture facility now this is the

1028
00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:42,790
area where we grow all ourselves in

1029
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:45,070
incubators so that we can do experiments

1030
00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:47,560
on the cells and some listeners might

1031
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:50,260
have heard of the book by Rebecca Skloot

1032
00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:52,210
called The Secret Life of Henrietta

1033
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,720
Lacks that book is written about a lady

1034
00:46:00,000 --> 00:45:58,240
who donated cancer cells back in the 50s

1035
00:46:02,070 --> 00:46:00,010
and they're still going they're still

1036
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:02,080
going that's right so we have some hela

1037
00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:05,410
cells here we also have sales from say

1038
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:07,840
from rats from mice and there's two

1039
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:09,430
types of cells that we generally work

1040
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:12,250
with there's one called primary cells

1041
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:14,290
and that means that those cells are

1042
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:18,040
extracted from a human or an animal and

1043
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:20,500
used very quickly because they don't

1044
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:23,740
reproduce most cells limes the other

1045
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:25,630
type of cell lines and that means that

1046
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,030
they've either a cancerous cell line or

1047
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:30,400
they're immortal so they will grow

1048
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:32,320
forever and ever like Henrietta Lacks

1049
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:34,990
ourselves but primary cells are if I

1050
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,670
take some of your blood and extract some

1051
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:39,040
of your white blood cells they won't

1052
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:40,270
grow forever because they're not

1053
00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:43,240
cancerous okay that's that's fascinating

1054
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:44,590
i'm just looking around and i can see

1055
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:47,320
there's a row of what looks to me being

1056
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:50,650
there the uneducated fool that I am a

1057
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:54,490
row of rain coach but they're not

1058
00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:56,500
raincoats what are these no these are

1059
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:59,020
actually disposable lab coats Richard

1060
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:01,150
these are only used in our tissue

1061
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:03,190
culture facility because this is a

1062
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:06,040
sterile quarantine area so we don't take

1063
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:08,380
any of our lab coats out of here and we

1064
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:09,850
only wear these for a certain number of

1065
00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:11,980
times and then we destroy them okay I

1066
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:14,470
guess is to eliminate or cut down

1067
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:17,050
potential contamination between cell

1068
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:26,349
now we've come into another yet another

1069
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,270
room here and dr. reaches just turn on

1070
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:31,040
the light I can see there's a sort of a

1071
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:33,290
door here with the big glass window and

1072
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:36,320
door is wet there's condensation running

1073
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:38,060
outside the door here Rachel what's

1074
00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:41,810
going on this is a zombie chamber okay

1075
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:45,020
so this is the calm room Richard

1076
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:52,040
it's supposed to be four degree we store

1077
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:54,690
a lot of our chemicals now I'm reagents

1078
00:47:59,660 --> 00:47:57,090
in here it's pretty cool it is cold but

1079
00:48:02,240 --> 00:47:59,670
if you come to the door shut the door

1080
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:02,250
and if you happen to get stuck in here

1081
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:10,010
okay there's something I just on the

1082
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:11,370
bench here in the cold room there's a

1083
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:14,370
fascinating little strange thing looks

1084
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,130
like in Star Trek it's a spinning jar of

1085
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,140
some sort of liquid here so this is a

1086
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:21,480
magnetic stirrer and all the magnetic

1087
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,490
stirrer we have a beaker and inside that

1088
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:26,400
beaker there is a little magnet which is

1089
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,070
called a flea and so that spins around

1090
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,440
inside the beaker which contains some

1091
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:33,450
liquid and mixes it up that's about

1092
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:35,610
actually inside this beaker according to

1093
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:40,140
the lid it's got HDL Anu now HDL is good

1094
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,910
cholesterol it's called high-density

1095
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,160
lipoprotein and that's the good

1096
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:46,560
cholesterol in your body that everyone's

1097
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,690
trying to increase their HDL the bad

1098
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:50,900
cholesterol is called LDL low-density

1099
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:54,240
lipoprotein this stuff HDL is what we do

1100
00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:56,130
a lot of our work on studying in at the

1101
00:49:01,460 --> 00:48:58,350
Harbor such as to choose and I suppose

1102
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:01,470
this room would be very nice on a hot

1103
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,050
sunny Sydney day yes but it's getting a

1104
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:06,430
bit chilly now let's go

1105
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:11,020
utter hi now just out of the cold room

1106
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:12,730
we're just passing by what they call the

1107
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:14,380
hot room and there's a big sign on the

1108
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:17,230
door caution radiation area isn't a bit

1109
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:18,550
dangerous in there don't think you know

1110
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:21,190
it's not dangerous we use medical

1111
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,770
isotopes in here so things like I use a

1112
00:49:29,299 --> 00:49:26,319
lot of carbon-14 which is an isotope of

1113
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:29,309
carbon I also use tritium which is a

1114
00:49:35,819 --> 00:49:33,150
nice atop of hydrogen we use some iodine

1115
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:35,829
125 which is a little bit dangerous we

1116
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:37,390
don't use very much of it it's all used

1117
00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:38,890
for medical research it's the kind of

1118
00:49:43,579 --> 00:49:40,809
stuff that's manufactured out at Lucas

1119
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:43,589
Heights ah the the reactor the reactor

1120
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:46,900
yeah we use very small quantities mostly

1121
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:49,750
to follow the process or the movement of

1122
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:52,750
molecules through cells it's actually a

1123
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:55,839
very elegant technique because what you

1124
00:50:01,470 --> 00:49:59,200
can do is label a certain part of the

1125
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:01,480
cell and then you can monitor what it

1126
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:03,730
does by monitoring that tag which is a

1127
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:06,520
radio labeled tag so we've got special

1128
00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:08,170
machinery to detects that radio labeled

1129
00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:11,319
tagged very sensitive machinery and so

1130
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:13,780
if you wanted to see how a cell is

1131
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:15,369
changing or whether it's making a

1132
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:17,500
particular protein or not you can follow

1133
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:19,390
them in front of this radioactive tag to

1134
00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:27,250
find out that so the microscope room dr.

1135
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:29,980
AG and on either side of the room there

1136
00:50:36,799 --> 00:50:32,710
are two wonderfully interesting stereo

1137
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:36,809
microscope setup with monitors attached

1138
00:50:42,089 --> 00:50:39,849
so this one here is an olympus

1139
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:42,099
fluorescent microscope which means that

1140
00:50:48,059 --> 00:50:45,520
you can look at cells through this scope

1141
00:50:49,799 --> 00:50:48,069
and you can look at them just under

1142
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,809
normal light but you can also look at

1143
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:52,240
them under fluorescent light and by

1144
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:54,130
exciting them at different wavelengths

1145
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:55,630
in the fluorescence spectrum you can

1146
00:50:59,609 --> 00:50:57,730
monitor different parts of the cell and

1147
00:51:03,660 --> 00:50:59,619
different processes of the cells life

1148
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:03,670
cycle Wow so what you can do is we can

1149
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:05,950
buy fluorescent probes which especially

1150
00:51:11,549 --> 00:51:08,920
made compounds that if you put on to

1151
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:11,559
your cell they will find specific parts

1152
00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:13,990
of the cell and bind and then you can

1153
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:16,119
look at that through the microscope with

1154
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:18,190
fluorescent light and see

1155
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:20,110
how the cell is responding to drug

1156
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:22,150
treatment or to some is that some of the

1157
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:23,890
wonderful pictures I've seen that you

1158
00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:25,960
produce of the cells of beautiful

1159
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,880
vibrant pictures and you can look at all

1160
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:29,440
the details and how the cells are

1161
00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:32,050
arranged exactly yes and that's some of

1162
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:35,020
the those pictures you've actually made

1163
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:38,170
into earrings yes and even into earrings

1164
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:40,210
shaped like hearts I just this is the

1165
00:51:44,850 --> 00:51:42,730
heart research institute yes yeah I've

1166
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:44,860
spent a lot of hours in the dark on this

1167
00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:47,740
microscopy and from the recent paper i

1168
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:49,960
published a couple of months ago many

1169
00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:51,970
much of the work was done in here in the

1170
00:52:00,570 --> 00:51:57,460
dark late at night yeah and finally

1171
00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:00,580
we've come into a giant room with bench

1172
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:03,160
after bench after bench of scientific

1173
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:05,950
equipment all right now Rachel can you

1174
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:08,470
tell us specifically about what you do

1175
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:12,220
here what is your role I have two roles

1176
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:16,090
I am a medical researcher I am looking

1177
00:52:21,090 --> 00:52:17,710
at a couple of projects at the moment

1178
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:21,100
one of them is Marie neuron disease I'm

1179
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:23,350
working with a team across the world

1180
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,470
we've got a collaborative group our main

1181
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:29,440
collaborators are in America and we're

1182
00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:30,840
trying to find the links between

1183
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,700
environmental triggers and motor neuron

1184
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:36,400
disease only about five or ten percent

1185
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:38,500
of occurrences of that disease are

1186
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:41,410
linked to genetic causes hmmm something

1187
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,030
about between nineteen ninety-five

1188
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:45,040
percent of it is just sporadic which

1189
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:47,050
means it happens for no apparent reason

1190
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:50,050
yeah one of the theories that we have

1191
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:51,610
and this is what we're working on with

1192
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:53,950
our collaborators in the states is that

1193
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:55,000
it might be something in the environment

1194
00:53:00,090 --> 00:52:57,880
that could trigger the disease and head

1195
00:53:02,730 --> 00:53:00,100
humans and we're looking specifically at

1196
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:02,740
diet and we're looking at the role of a

1197
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:05,650
bacteria or an algae called blue-green

1198
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:07,870
algae it has been there is some evidence

1199
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:10,330
around showing that that particular type

1200
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:11,980
of algae can trigger motor neuron

1201
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:14,350
disease in some people in some

1202
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:16,210
susceptible people and it's known as

1203
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:19,210
Guam's disease it's been covered quite a

1204
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,360
bit because it was first discovered in

1205
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:25,140
the 60s by Oliver Sacks who

1206
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:28,680
is a famous author a neurologist and he

1207
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:30,089
found that there was a group of people

1208
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,970
on the island of Guam that were eating a

1209
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,220
lot of cycad trees and these

1210
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:37,920
psychiatry's had a high concentration of

1211
00:53:41,779 --> 00:53:39,089
this blue-green algae called

1212
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:41,789
cyanobacteria and there's actually also

1213
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:44,579
a link Richard to Alfred Hitchcock

1214
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:47,880
really yeah there is in fact there may

1215
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:50,730
be the birds that Hitchcock filmed in on

1216
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,099
the coast the west coast of America yes

1217
00:53:59,509 --> 00:53:55,680
yes but there was an attack by sea birds

1218
00:54:00,799 --> 00:53:59,519
in the 1930s from Santa Cruz and it was

1219
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,809
three o'clock in the morning all these

1220
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:02,819
sea birds came to the shore and where

1221
00:54:07,759 --> 00:54:05,339
people walked out to investigate the

1222
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:07,769
noise and was shining torches and these

1223
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,750
birds were flying towards the light so

1224
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,400
they thought that they were attacking

1225
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,200
them now it was originally thought that

1226
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:15,240
they were disorientated because of fog

1227
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:16,619
then afterwards it was thought that

1228
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,630
they'd actually consumed anchovies that

1229
00:54:22,609 --> 00:54:20,460
were contaminated with this algae oh

1230
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:22,619
well and they'd become disorientated and

1231
00:54:26,839 --> 00:54:25,260
and got a little bit mad and sort of

1232
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,849
flew into the shore and and we're

1233
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:28,500
bashing into walls and humans and

1234
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:29,880
anything so they weren't deliberately

1235
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:31,170
attacking humans they were just

1236
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:33,240
disorientated we think that something

1237
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:35,460
similar might happen with humans not

1238
00:54:38,859 --> 00:54:37,049
that they go mad and fly around but that

1239
00:54:42,019 --> 00:54:38,869
they can get a neurological disorder

1240
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,029
from consuming this algae wrong stuff

1241
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,640
yeah so that's one of my projects the

1242
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:46,440
other project is looking at damaged

1243
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:48,750
proteins in heart disease and also in

1244
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:52,380
aging so most most of us when we have

1245
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,880
proteins are whizzing around our body

1246
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:56,400
doing their job once they get damaged or

1247
00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:58,380
they get old they get broken down in

1248
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:00,059
their components which are called a

1249
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:02,609
minor acids get recycled now in some

1250
00:55:06,859 --> 00:55:04,710
cases like in heart disease these

1251
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,869
proteins don't get broken down and they

1252
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,579
end up building up and sticking together

1253
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:11,220
like a bunch of junk in your cells and

1254
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:13,230
then your cells get so full of this junk

1255
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:15,059
they can't function anymore and so they

1256
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:17,430
actually commit suicide so cell suicide

1257
00:55:23,539 --> 00:55:21,569
is it's a term used called apoptosis and

1258
00:55:26,029 --> 00:55:23,549
that's when there's a whole series of

1259
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,039
things that happen in the cell that

1260
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:28,079
caused it to commit suicide and by

1261
00:55:32,509 --> 00:55:30,329
committing suicide it causes less damage

1262
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:32,519
to the rest of the cells around it then

1263
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,990
official would just burst and release

1264
00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:36,480
its contents so it kind of eats itself

1265
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:37,480
in a way

1266
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:39,730
and disposes of itself in a nice clean

1267
00:55:44,609 --> 00:55:42,580
way this buildup of damaged proteins

1268
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:44,619
occurs in your arteries when you get

1269
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:47,170
heart disease and it's been thought that

1270
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:49,330
just might be a byproduct of heart

1271
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:51,010
disease it's never really been knowing

1272
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:54,130
if that would contribute to the disease

1273
00:55:58,859 --> 00:55:56,790
at all so originally we thought these

1274
00:56:01,320 --> 00:55:58,869
proteins that stick around in your

1275
00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:01,330
arteries and sort of build up might just

1276
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:03,460
be observers and do no more damage than

1277
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:06,010
just start to reduce the sort of size of

1278
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:07,450
your artery which is a problem as well

1279
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:09,400
but that they didn't actually contribute

1280
00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:11,710
to the progression of the disease but

1281
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:13,750
now we think that they might contribute

1282
00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:16,630
to the disease becoming worse because

1283
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:19,540
they're causing cells to die and so that

1284
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,369
can cause the disease to actually get

1285
00:56:25,470 --> 00:56:23,680
worse than if they weren't around and

1286
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:25,480
this also applies to other aging

1287
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:27,220
disorders for example Alzheimer's

1288
00:56:32,099 --> 00:56:29,470
disease and Parkinson's disease because

1289
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:32,109
both those diseases also result in a

1290
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:35,410
buildup of these sticky gunky kind of

1291
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:39,070
junky proteins seriously folks dr.

1292
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,380
Rachel you know and love her from her

1293
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:43,119
doctor Rachel reports and the think tank

1294
00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:46,510
but when she's not doing that wonderful

1295
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:48,369
work for us she is here at the heart

1296
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,190
Research Institute working very hard for

1297
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:53,440
our long-term benefit I must say now dr.

1298
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:56,740
rachy how can people find out more about

1299
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:00,640
this wonderful institution well I'm glad

1300
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:02,290
you asked that question Richard because

1301
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:04,090
we've just launched our Facebook page

1302
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:06,910
and a couple of days ago it's at

1303
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:10,900
facebook.com forward slash HRI a ust so

1304
00:57:17,310 --> 00:57:13,900
HR I aust we also now have a Twitter

1305
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:17,320
feed as well and that's at HR iust as

1306
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,080
well and our YouTube channel is also HR

1307
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:22,960
i Iost so we're all the same name across

1308
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:25,060
YouTube Facebook and Twitter and I'm

1309
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,790
running the twitter feed I also did set

1310
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:29,710
up the facebook page so please come

1311
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:33,100
along like us follow us on twitter and

1312
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:35,020
you can keep up to date with what's

1313
00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:36,609
happening what research is happening

1314
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:38,200
here there's also lots of information

1315
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,540
already up there on what our scientists

1316
00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:42,400
do the other groups that work here and

1317
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:43,990
some of the fundraising activities that

1318
00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:45,940
we do here I posted a picture this

1319
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:48,100
morning on the Twitter feed of a penguin

1320
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,210
with a love heart first

1321
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:52,400
8 on its prey so I suggest you go it's

1322
00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:54,710
really cute have a look at that so the

1323
00:57:59,079 --> 00:57:57,109
links to all those places decoration

1324
00:58:01,630 --> 00:57:59,089
just mentioned will be on the show notes

1325
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,640
on the website for this episode and also

1326
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:03,680
in the newsletter dr. HC what a

1327
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:05,750
privilege it's been to have a wander

1328
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:08,050
around your wonderful lab here and

1329
00:58:15,259 --> 00:58:10,250
congratulations on all the good work

1330
00:58:20,779 --> 00:58:18,019
dr. Rachel Dunlop is one of Australia's

1331
00:58:22,209 --> 00:58:20,789
foremost media commentators in matters

1332
00:58:24,769 --> 00:58:22,219
concerning so-called alternative

1333
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:24,779
medicine she has appeared on national

1334
00:58:30,859 --> 00:58:28,559
radio and national television dr. H E is

1335
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:30,869
available for interviews and you can

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contact her at Rachel at skeptic zone

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hello and Allah needle on solo scoffs of

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deployment been to at low so another

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skeptics on for way to stop and katie

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schneider moving from RC Connor we may

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thank you for listening to a packed a

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packed skeptic zone this week next week

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we have a report from Maynard where he

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chats to a heart transplant recipient

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very interesting stuff and just a note

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from me that you can see some of the

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other stuff I do by visiting my youtube

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channel skeptics own podcast or if you

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go to itunes and run a search for video

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origami there's a little app there or a

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couple of apps where my friend gary

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clark and myself demonstrating and

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teaching you how to fold lots of

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wonderful origami models might be of

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interest anyway for now this is Richard

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Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone visit her website at www